Saturday, December 16, 2006

#62: It's Not the Ending, It's the Beginning...

When we decided to launch back in mid-September, we did so out of a spirit of adventure and curiosity. One of the biggest questions in our minds concerned how our project would be received by the internet public. Would people care about our kooky endeavor? Would anyone vote? How quickly might things unfold?

Much to our delight (and somewhat to our surprise), our idea was received warmly and with positivity not only in the United States but all across the world. What we thought might possibly be of interest to some folks in our country rapidly sparked international interest and we quickly saw that our project had many passionate observers.

For the response we have received we are truly and greatly appreciative. It is humbling and wondrous to know that our site has taken on a life of its own, that it has sparked dialogue between citizens in towns in far-flung corners of the States, and that so many people have been as excited by this idea as we have been. In short, we feel thankful and blessed to have had this response.

At the risk of jumping the gun, it does appear that the voting will wrap up at some point in the next day or so. We know that all of the three towns competing for the number one spot have something different to offer us and are awaiting a winner with understandable anticipation. That isn't rhetoric, it's the truth, and we both look forward to exploring our new hometown and sharing our life there with you. There is no telling what the future holds in store for us but we are thrilled by the possibilities.

It was our sincere hope that this competition would engender discussion, make people smile, cause folks to reconsider their feelings about their own hometowns, and maybe even provide a vicarious thrill or two. Nearly five million votes later, it has presented us with an array of challenges we couldn't possibly have forseen at the project's start.

Throughout the process we have always tried our absolute best to ensure a fair and legitimate vote, dealing with new and unexpected obstacles as they arose. We know very well that no matter what town winds up the victor, some people will feel upset and cry foul. It is the nature of competition, as anyone who has ever rooted wholeheartedly for a football team can attest to. Since this cannot be avoided, we take solace in knowing that we conducted ourselves with integrity and honesty throughout this project.

We have obviously been treading in uncharted waters and we have done the best we can. Life is a learning experience and if we had to begin this process anew we would undoubtedly do certain things differently. However, we are both amazed at how things have unfolded. It has definitely been an incredible trek for us as individuals and as a couple.

Thank you again for your support. We put our lives in your hands and you have responded admirably. This is just the beginning, of course, and we look forward to giving you a window into our new town and our lives there.

With appreciation and love,
Danny & Nina


60 Feedback:

At 12/16/2006 06:08:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Something can be learnes from all this circus:

I do what I want whenever I want, nobody tells me what to do, not even for fun.

At 12/16/2006 09:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...


At 12/16/2006 11:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Welcome to Denver you guys! I'm so thrilled it won! Definitely the best choice for you both from your list.

At 12/17/2006 12:28:00 AM, Blogger Eddi wrote...

what a show:
what a fake.

At 12/17/2006 02:20:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...


You've had a hard time to push your own favorite to the top.

You've been cheating.

You manipulated the votes count of the leading towns. You installed a bot on your own to vote for your favorite.

You guys are SO cheap.

The internet legend contains one more page: The City-Voting frauf of Danny and Nina.

The net never forget.

Whereever you will appear in the internet in future, someone will be there, who knows.

Happy life!

At 12/17/2006 03:13:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

youre moving to denver?! youre website isnt working, but ill trust what 'anonymous' says. congratulations!! i truly hope that you will both be so incredibly happy there.

At 12/17/2006 03:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

hey guys,

i find it incredible that you still have the nerve of posting blog entries where you claim to put your lives in the hands of the internet community.

for a long time, when Plano, TX was the only town getting massive voting, you claimed it was due to bots, and "corrected" the count every night. probably also to prolong the project.

then, when the 1000000 mark was no longer avoidable, you blocked whole subnets, 10s of thousands of internet users, for the apparent reason that they voted for a town you didn't like.

this is fraud, and a lot of people noticed it. in my book, you just got a lot of bad publicity.

well, have fun wherever you move.

btw, i voted for Cedar Rapdis, IA, and it seems all my votes made it. up to a point where i was blocked from your site - without even voting for a town that would endanger your desired outcome.

At 12/17/2006 04:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Thanks to eddi's graphic one can truely see how you cheated D&N!!!

You are really such dishonest guys... I really want use swearwords now... grrr I'm sooo mad at you!
What an example of american voting (system)...

You lied to everyone, you cheated... I hope you will somehow be punished... perhaps by finding that Denver isn't that great as you thought... and that the media will only have bad opinions about your project and your cheating...

At 12/17/2006 04:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

So, tell us the date when you are moving :) Soon, I hope!

btw. The "Plano incident" is defenitely bad for you.
Oh, one more thought: Please please stop such insults as you did in your forum:

"If the bot voters (nearly all of whom are from Germany)"

I bet that's just nonsense. Stop at the origin part please, that's immature. Otherwhise Germans are the evil and bad and Americans are...? Well, they have G.W.Bush...

So much for that.

At 12/17/2006 05:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

why didn't you move to denver without initiating a faked voting?

At 12/17/2006 06:22:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Ugly cheaters, aren't you?

At 12/17/2006 06:59:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Never trust a american election -

never trust americans.

At 12/17/2006 07:00:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Shame on you.

At 12/17/2006 07:46:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

I want a recount! :)

At 12/17/2006 08:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

CHEATER, shame on you!

At 12/17/2006 08:34:00 AM, Anonymous flow wrote...

We demand a manual recount! ;)
Have fun whereever you'll go...

and just ignore the insults, but take the critics seriously...

At 12/17/2006 10:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

You wrote:
"Throughout the process we have always tried our absolute best to ensure a fair and legitimate vote, dealing with new and unexpected obstacles as they arose. We know very well that no matter what town winds up the victor, some people will feel upset and cry foul."

Of course you played foul. You did anything neccessary to get your favourite to the lead.

Eliminating votes at will for Plano and South Bend, ignoring the fact, that a bot was voting for Denver, blocking IP addresses, at first some single hosts, then complete networks, whole German networks at last, that was, what you really did.

You've lost your reputation to all the people, that took your "experiment" serious. You've cheated them all, you're no longer the good ones.

At 12/17/2006 10:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote... sure seems like there are a lot of mad people out there. And judging by the bad English, they're all foreigners.

Personally, I don't believe that you guys cheated. Maybe that's idealistic of me but I do believe people are as good as their word - and we had your word.

As for the so-called "graph" - deleting bot votes is legit. You people (not Danny & Nina) need to get a life. Next time (I know there won't be one but....): one vote per registered user. I wonder how many different users actually voted.

Have a wonderful time in Denver! It's a great city!

At 12/17/2006 11:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

@last comment: You are soo naive. I don't know how long you've been looking on that whole voting developement, but one can truely see that something was just not right about Denver gaining so much votes in a few hours...

And I'm tired of that saying 'You need to get a life'. So everyone who has just a sense of 'justice' and is commenting on this strange way this 'experiment' of D&N took has no life... have you ever heard of 'freedom of speech'?

Well, and many people feel betrayed...

At 12/17/2006 11:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

"And judging by the bad English, they're all foreigners"

you know how many american's don't speak any english? Otherwise how many (english)american's knows a second language like all these "stupid" foreigners. C'mon let's here some phrases in french, german, italian, dutch, spain...

At 12/17/2006 11:22:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

"And judging by the bad English, they're all foreigners."

WTF? And this does express what?

At 12/17/2006 12:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

The next time organize an online-voting to see what country the states is gonna bomb next

At 12/17/2006 12:27:00 PM, Anonymous Guest wrote...

Answer to the comment at 10:49 AM, December 17, 2006

"get a life" ... ;-) Nice try.

Well, surprisingly i have a life already. ;-P

My life is strongly influenced by values. By the believe in words, in promises and in democracy for example.

If someone pretends something it's necessary to uncover those lies.
If someone ignores or hurts principles of democracy (like it is done by vote fraud for example) it's necessary to uncover this.

If you dont do this, you end up in a society which believes in Diebold-machines and is administrated by liars like the Bush-Government because vote fraud and lying is acceptable to those people and isn't outlawed. People gets the government they deserve. ;-P

At 12/17/2006 01:45:00 PM, Anonymous bustard wrote...

Hi Danny & Nina,

I fear that these words will fall on deaf ears – like so many words said during this turbulent final phase of your voting race. Anyway, I'll have a try...

Now that this great fun'n'fake show is over, I'd like to draw your attention to some crucial factors that had a vital effect on the outcome.

The fact that there was a subliminal tendency to Kraut-bashing throughout the race is one of the minor issues; we Germans had to learn how to live with unsubstantiated animosities like this, and we don't give a damn. What remains is a bitter aftertaste in view of the sloppy manner how the statements of just one German blockkead (Lyzia) have been picked up gratefully to spread the word. And all of the corrective anti-Lyzian comments left by Germans fulminated in the depths of your forum...

What, however, turned out to be decisive for the outcome was your breach of promise. Once you say
Our lives are in your hands!
you have to stick to the bargain! But if you – figuratively speaking – chop off the hands of umpteen housands of legally-voting German voters by blocking and banning complete ISPs, subnets etc. I call that premeditative betrayal of trust! And come on, guys, please don't hide behind the broad back of your "hosting company"! After all it's you who's in charge and resposible for that, as your hosters depend on your directions or at least your consent for drastic interventions like this!

Therefore your statement
"Throughout the process we have always tried our absolute best to ensure a fair and legitimate vote, dealing with new and unexpected obstacles as they arose."
sounds like a tasteless joke.

Agreed, there was a lot of bot voting also from Germany. But the following statistics will show who's the master of bots...

At 10:15 pm on Fri. Dec. 15 (your server time), that was 4:15 on Sat. Dec. 16 in Germany, the top three ranking was as follows:
South Bend. 897,525
Plano: 885,815
Denver 836,629
While voting for South Bend almost stopped completely for a couple of hours by that time, and a moderate increase showed for Plano, massive bot-voting started for Denver. At approx. 1:45 am on Sat. Dec. 16 (all times = your server time), roughly 10,000 votes were deleted for South Bend, 60,000 for Plano and none for Denver.

And then, unhampered by any corrective action on the part of the officials, Denver made its way to a landslide victory at 7:25 pm on Sat. 16, without even one vote being deducted! That means that Denver got 144,000 "legitimate" consecutive votes within 18 hours (give or take some minutes)!

And now watch this: When the final whistle was blown ("The voting is now officially closed!") on your voting page, i.e. when legitimate voting was absolutely impossible, Denver still received more than 1.000 votes during the next couple of minutes... what a pity bots can't read!

Thank God you stopped the counters completely, or else the Denver bot-o-mania would have become even more obvious... ;-)

Anyway, although you will now have to schlepp the burden of spoofing, your campaign was a great show – and another proof of what the Internet can achieve. We had fun, controversial and fruitful discussions, it was a success for you, and the best vlogs on the Internet (Ehrensenf and Rocketboom) started their first joint activities (including subtitling of their shows). What else can you expect?

And, after all, Denver isn't such a bad place to stay, is it? And when the weather gets to chilly, you can chill out by yourselves... But please, if you decide to move after one year, please don't do something like this again!!!!

I wish you all the very best for your future. Have a merry Christmas, a happy and prosperous New Year, and don't forget to keep the Internet community posted on any interesting move of your move!


At 12/17/2006 02:25:00 PM, Anonymous bustard wrote...

In my last post, please read
164,000 "legitimate" consecutive votes...
instead of
144,000 "legitimate" consecutive votes... !

At 12/17/2006 03:15:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Lame! Absolutely Lame!

Though I'm not all that surprised.. Nina being from Boulder CO and all. Seems a little coincidental, since Boulder is only 30 minutes from Denver.

Gonna be such an adventure moving home eh'? Can't wait to hear all about the new fun and exciting stuff... NOT!

At 12/17/2006 04:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Ha ha.....the Germans turned out to be really BAD losers. This is hilarious!!! Denver rules.

At 12/17/2006 05:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

It has nothing to with us being bad losers. It has to do with what is realistically possible. Look at the data, and it is somewhat fishy. No votes being deleted for Denver at all does not make sense, if the other contenders to get a lot of votes deleted, which might be crucial. Blocking ISPs etc, does not speak for Danny and Nina, either. This whole thing was a good idea, but I think in the end something went really wrong.

At 12/17/2006 05:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

american voting - haha

At 12/17/2006 06:02:00 PM, Anonymous Bara wrote...

Danny and Nina blocked the most popular german ISPs.
By blocking those hosts i guess at least 90% of all German Voters (--> mostly Plano voters) could not access the voting in the last and most important hours/days.
I hope you understand why people are complaining ;)
Nevertheless - Have Fun in Denver.

At 12/17/2006 08:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

I have been following this project every once and a while and it seems like a really fun idea. of the three top towns i think denver is the best choice . also I looked on the german ehrensenf website and there are a lot of links to automatic bots there. however, judging by the statistics of how the voting was going everyone must have been cheating and all these germans crying just speaks porely of them. grow up.

At 12/17/2006 11:55:00 PM, Anonymous Guest wrote...

"also I looked on the german ehrensenf website and there are a lot of links to automatic bots there."
Maybe it's true what you're stating. I can't judge about it, because i didn't read any contribution on this subject (where to find bots and how to use them) on the ehrensenf pages (There are many pages containing hundreds of comments). But ... I dont found a single link on such a script there.
To check your statement, post a few or at least a single example which can be found by searching that term on those pages as a proof your statement isn't an assumption only.

"however, judging by the statistics of how the voting was going everyone must have been cheating ..."
Everyone? Sippenhaft(*)?
A few people used voting-bots. Danny and Nina blocked whole sub-nets and at the end even the complete decix (probably by mod_rewrite). Maybe they removed more votes than those ones which have been voted illegally and didn't remove other votes which have been voted illegally too. Do you always call a few people .. ehm ... everyone?

"and all these germans crying just speaks porely of them."
To cheat is always a poor behavior. Origin doesn't matter. Sippenhaft is amoral.

"grow up."
Someone who has grown up usually takes responsibility for his doings instead of being dishonest to avoid consequences.

(*) Sippenhaft expresses that not only a suspects life but the lives of his entire family became forfeit when judgment was rendered against him. Children, parents, the aged and infirm, none were spared. There was no appeal, and the sentence, once decreed, was swiftly executed.

At 12/18/2006 03:47:00 AM, Blogger nostu wrote...


At 12/18/2006 05:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

It seems to me the only way to make up for the mess D and N have caused is for them to move to Denver in 2007, Plano in 2008 and South Bend in 2009.

At 12/18/2006 06:44:00 AM, Blogger Roland Bart wrote...

Hey Danny and Diana,

great marketing concept! It reminds me of the 1 Million Dollar Webpage. However, you should play with open cards and not state in "help the cause", that you're rather losing money with the site than making. With all the ads on it and far more than a million hits, the site probably already pays for your move to whatever city the audiences decides upon :-)


At 12/18/2006 06:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

I hope you earned enough money with your site, because you will not be able to pull a scam like this one again!

Greetings to the cheaters Danny and Nina.

At 12/18/2006 07:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

"lying is the american lingua franca"

Gore Vidal

At 12/18/2006 09:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Congratulations, you got your result!

But please do yourself a favour and don't seriously believe that this 'project' was a success. Are your standards really that low?

Merry moving and be honest with yourselves!!

At 12/18/2006 10:07:00 AM, Anonymous spiderdaddy wrote...

Frankly, I don't know whether you rigged the voting or not. I also have a
life so I won't lose any sleep over this, but the fact is; you have been
*percieved* to have been rigging the vote.

Whether or not this is deliberate is of no concern, the question is do you
want this hanging over you, or is there no such thing as bad publicity? If
nothing else it doesn't say much about your internet abilities if you
can't block voting bots properly does it?

My suggestion would be to have a run-off between the top 3 towns at close
of voting. With votes only allowed from registered users with confirmed
e-mail addresses and a public list of votes cast.

I can make a good guess who would win, are you prepared to roll the dice

At 12/18/2006 11:22:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Some more questions....
Why D&N know how to use captcha here at their blog but not on their voting site?
Maybe there were some reasons for NOT excluding bots at the vote?

At 12/18/2006 12:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

dannynina = hipocryte loosers

At 12/18/2006 12:35:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

learn how to spell big words you don't know how to use "hypocrite". it's very clear who the losers here are and it's not danny and nina.

At 12/18/2006 01:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Well, is it really about losing at all? I don't think so. All of the people who somehow participated in this project learned something, didn't they?

I wonder why you, D&N, don't comment on some really bad accuses or positive statements at all... oh well, maybe you don't need to.
I don't know how you feel about this whole situation. Personally, I think it's sad.

To all the people here who judge others by their abilities of the English language: How good are your foreign language abilities?

Oh, and well... can one be a "foreigner" in the internet?

At 12/18/2006 02:21:00 PM, Anonymous Guest wrote...

Well, it isn't about loosing the game. It even isn't primary about being blocked and can't vote.

Sure it is disappointing to realize someone is cheating. And it is necessary to uncover such a mess ... but what does really matter? Why am I complaining?

I for one dont like to be judged and punished for something i didn't have done.

Especially if someone uses this to excuse his own misbehaviour.

Danny and Nina wrote, by announcing to block "some" users, everyone who's complaining about not to be able to vote uses a bot and therefore is a cheater.

I take this as an insult. That's my main reason for complaining.

If Danny and Nina like to live in Denver, let them live there happily together. Tell them it's bad and evil to tell lies, to cheat and to do false accusations. Exactly like you would tell this your own children too if they behave like them. If they excuse for their false accusations then wish them the best only and say goodbye ;-)

At 12/18/2006 04:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Funny Denver wins and germans are blocked. Why Why? Cause they don´t believe that the ellection was no fake? I don´t no but some says in the past dont believe a statistic, wich you not have fake by yourself.

Maybe but It is funny that germans can´t go to the site.

I wich you mutch fun in Denver.

At 12/18/2006 04:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Funny Denver wins and germans are blocked. Why Why? Cause they don´t believe that the ellection was no fake? I don´t no but some says in the past dont believe a statistic, wich you not have fake by yourself.

Maybe but It is funny that germans can´t go to the site.

I wich you mutch fun in Denver.

At 12/18/2006 05:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Funny, Blaine, MN got 98,127 votes but the population is approximately 45,000, less than half the number of votes it received.

I live near Blaine and have been there, I can't imagine anyone who lives there voting for it or suggesting to someone else to move there when there is a whole sprawling metropolis 30 minutes away without the rows and rows of soccer moms and hockey dads.

At 12/19/2006 01:07:00 AM, Anonymous Norbert wrote...

"Also I looked on the german ehrensenf website and there are a lot of links to automatic bots there."
/ Quote

As far as I know there was only one after German users were banned from the site.
BTW did you count how many other comments were urging users not to use any bots? And how many times did Katrin, the Ehrensenf host, ask to stay "clean" and not to use bots?

During the last days, I used different proxy servers (no bots mind you) to continue voting for Plano, since I was banned, too. The first proxy was located in Dresden. I casted some 30 to 50 votes within 15 minutes, which certainly doesn't look like a bot was voting rather than a real person.
The next day the proxy was banned.

Same with the next proxy in Munich.

Anyway, you, Danny and Nina, basically had a wonderful idea, and you were featured on TV and made it into some newspapers.
I guess it’s fair to say that, to some extend, that was also a result from the efforts of your “new German friends” - as you have called us.

Is this how you treat friends?

- Norbert

At 12/19/2006 01:10:00 AM, Anonymous Norbert wrote...

Oh yes, I forgot: "God bless Denver."

At 12/19/2006 05:51:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...



Go to Denver - I hope the people there will treat you respectively!!!

And remember:


At 12/19/2006 06:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

why are you that angry? have you ever supposed that this little artificial voting stuff was genuine? the actors got some money and publicity by using the internet for their idea. i mean, the outcome of that simple idea reflects the difference between american and european thinking. an unreal show with the facility for publicity vs. seriousness that has to be fair dinkum. thats it. beside: it also demonstrates the tendency to badness on either sides. d&n got ones money worth by cheating and the germans have demonstrated their attitude to currishness by trying to send someone to fucked up places.

At 12/19/2006 06:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

D & N wrote that all towns had something going for them.
Rocketboom is in NY.

At 12/19/2006 07:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

Oh, come on!

If someone says it's genuine - it should be genuine!
That's one's word.
But one's word, so it seems, isn't worth to be spoken out or written down anymore. How sad.

Oh yeah, the germans are all bad and evil. Forgive me - but that's narrow minded and sterotype thinking...*rolleyes*.

Yes, we wanted to send D&N to the most despicable place in the world - Plano.
In fact, Plano is a nice town. So what's the matter?

This has nothing to do with nationalities - it's about attitude and moral. Important values which don't matter anymore to many people today!
At least they matter to me - an that's why I'm angry.

They cheated - everyone who ist not insane can see that. And so they deserve my disapprobation.

At 12/19/2006 09:38:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

yes - its simply the truth: you're liars. If it was that you want to show you did it.

At 12/19/2006 11:14:00 PM, Anonymous ryan wrote...

in answer to above post by anonymous

here you can find tons of links to illegal bots and at the top the program erensenf hosts even highlighting posts where you can find such bots.
funny how the germans weren't complaining when it was THEM cheating.

At 12/20/2006 02:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

@ 12/19/2006 11:14:00 PM

So you say that all evil Germans bot-voted?

Well, I am German. I didn't use bots nor proxy servers. Even if I could have. I simply thought I didn't need to. And I guess for some people this was way too much, too.

Oh and aren't there quite some Americans with German ancstors? I wonder...

And for the records: there were also Germans complaining about bot voting. Not all are that fond about it.

At 12/21/2006 11:50:00 AM, Anonymous ryan wrote...

i didn't actually see in any of the above posts non german people calling germans evil. why are making stuff up.

and yes, why was it okay with the germans to cheat when it was favoring their town? Interesting.

At 12/22/2006 02:22:00 PM, Anonymous Guest wrote...

Ryan wrote:
"i didn't actually see in any of the above posts non german people calling germans evil. why are making stuff up."

I'm answering:
Danny and Nina said, everyone who isn't able to get to their site uses a bot. After they blocked the major german ISPs (and later on the whole decix) no german user could connect to their site.

Well cheating is evil. Using a bot is cheating. Nearly all germans have been blocked. Conclusion: If all germans can't get to the site then they are accused to use a bot. (But in fact they blocked germans who vote without a bot too!) If using a bot is evil (it is indeed!), every german must be assumed to be evil by this accusation.

Ryan wrote:
"and yes, why was it okay with the germans to cheat when it was favoring their town? Interesting."

I'm answering: Who wrote using a bot is ok? Noone wrote such a thing. To block those germans (or other peole from elsewhere - even the U.S. - take a look on Denvers uprising) is absolutely ok. But to punish other users for something they didn't have done is definately not ok.

At 12/22/2006 02:34:00 PM, Anonymous Guest wrote...

ryan wrote:

I'm answering:
Please give the number of those comments linked with bot software.

ryan wrote:
funny how the germans weren't complaining when it was THEM cheating.

I'm answering:
Germans aren't complaining about german users using bots? Maybe in your imagination.
To cheat is wrong, regardeless of the origin of the cheater.
And if someone did something wrong to someone else, this isn't an excuse for someone else to do something wrong to anybody even not to that one who did something wrong first.

At 6/21/2007 12:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...

I can't believe people are actually getting worked up about these results. Geeeze. Let them live in Denver. Bots or not bots.


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